Patrick Tate: Okay. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. This is the exchange. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. It doesn't happen as much anymore. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. So they're scary. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. He said matter of fact I do. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Gap Mountain Lions Club Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. They are the same thing. Really appreciate it. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Well they are the same. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Think you've seen a mountain lion? We'd love to have you in the queue. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. That's next time on one day. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. She is renowned for tracking. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. So. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. 'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. Well I can't tell you what you saw. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. I mean they're a survivor. And so. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. Let's look for other evidence. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Mike you're on the air. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. Can you tell us about that story. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. Can we go to the site. Really appreciate it. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. John thanks. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. 1957. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. So. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. They just end up in these places. And it was unmistakable. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. So what a neat experience. Okay. Mountain Lions in NH. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Theres tracks everywhere. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. David Erler says some of them probably have. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Can you look into this picture. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. Well let's talk a little bit about that. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. N.H. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Peter Biello: Yeah. Chartered: 1973 . So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Thank you. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. I don't know if she still is. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. Caller: Oh yeah. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Post your sightings and NH photos here! I just want to tell you a story that I read. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. Thanks for calling. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Thank you. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. John is calling from Bennington. If so that's for us as an agency. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Administrative Links. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. And you know all that. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. About Lions. Mountain lion or cat running across. They don't know the direction they're going. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Caller: Yeah. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS It was not a bobcat. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Yes. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. www.wildlife.state.nh.us, Buy or Renew Your Saltwater Fishing License, Great Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Mountain Lion Population (In Each U.S. State) - Wildlife Informer 44-N Links. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. So give us a call now. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. There was a lot of DNA evidence. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. Absolutely. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Pelosi story here we go. Let us know your story and share your photos! Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Patrick Tate: Yes. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Caller: I have yeah. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. "Of those three to five reports,. Your support makes this news available to everyone. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. 1,470 likes. Windham Life and Times - November 15, 2019
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