He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. HP10 9TY. It was named after a pre-existing training ship by the same name that was launched from Bombay and based at Shotley. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. 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Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. It was hard, often . The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . 'Letters back to front, remember!' H.M.S. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. . They say you never forget the place and I agree. Were you a 'button boy'? One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". #42. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. Most boys just wanted to complete their year and go to sea. Observer career path/ real life experience. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. Yes, I got it wrong! and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! While I was going through the various calls I felt his hand slipping up the back of my shorts. 1914. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. Early in 1940 Admiralty decided to close Ganges as a Boys Training Establishment and in April it became a Hostilities Only Training Establishment. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. A Gannett Company. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. On his 15th Birthday he was sent, with 2000 other boys, to the notorious HMS Ganges training establishment at Shotley Point where a harsh regime held sway. Editors' Code of Practice. 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Dave Walton RN retired. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. Was anything in this navy free from fear? Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. I just got on with it. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. Editors' Code of Practice. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! The former treasurer of a naval veterans' organisation has been jailed for 18 months after nearly 80,000 was withdrawn from its accounts. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. Learn how your comment data is processed. [1] The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . Steve Tarr. I took a bowl and ate the lot. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. JavaScript is disabled. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can 1906. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . Helpful. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Coronation Day of George VI. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN (Image: Archant). This was followed by a leap from the diving board, as high as any tree I'd ever climbed, wearing the waterlogged boiler suit and a lifejacket. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. (LogOut/ . Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. One person found this helpful. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. CPO (OPS) (EW) Served from 1966 - 1991 Served in HMS Ganges. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). contact the editor here. Allegations of Abuse. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. Roe told me "I don't like you." Saw your message. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. in the RN with the nickname Doc. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" Read about our approach to external linking. In the first week of January it was snowed even harder and it snowed until March. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. Jon Sparks. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. Outbreak of World War One. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. H.M.S. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. Every strip of tape had to stand in front of him and begin before our instructor legs apart arms for! 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