Professionally, my mission is to help you do the same. 3/8 needle valve, also put in just 2 400 GPD membranes. Works great. IS THAT MY PROBLEM? Yep, we often run it through twice. Vermont is the country's largest producer of maple syrup. Michelle, ridgid 3/8 x 30 pex tube (30 faucet) item #751655, model #7227-30-38-2 Still need a few parts, but am getting there. When ready to boil I run it into You could always just run a batch of tap water through it to see if its running well. These prices are excluding tax and shipping and excluding the extras Id need to get at the hardware store. I wish we had tap-able trees here, but I doubt that oaks are on the list! Hopefully, Bill or another crafter can offer advice on this issue. Im going to really look into RO and save some time and $$$. 8. Before you run valuable maple sap through your unit it is a good idea to test it on 50-100 gallons of clean water. Fill a tank with 50 - 100 gal And finally, whats the function of the clear line filter? Or if I just used two but passed everything through twice? It cost me about $350 and was well worth it. , Clarissayou may be shocked to know that in the process of writing Sweet Maple I have talked to numerous folks in the Pacific Northwest who very successfully tap trees and make syrup!! Thank you for taking the time to share all this information. If the weather is going to be particularly warm, we can take this smaller amount of sap and pop it in a cooler or the fridge so it doesnt warm up too much. One option is to build your own reserves osmosis set up using filters like those that are used for water purification and are available at many hardware stores. We run it at 60/70. The amazing beauty of this . Open the tops and add additional solution if needed. Nope, thats all my husbands ingenuity. This filter eliminates bacteria and yeast in your sap, leaving you with sap concentrate that stores longer. Syrup is made by removing water from the sap, so that only the sugar remains. What is the function of the 5 micron filter? Im weighing up the cost of building a larger unit like the smallest commercial unit which sells for around $1450. I had a great season here in SW Ohio, collecting over 525 gals of sap from 68 taps. So, the last year of making maple syrup at home, we tried a 4 by 40 with the 330 gallons per hour pump and it performed very well, delivering 80 to 100 gallons per (I wish we had a better answer for the storage, but thats what we do. WebConsisting of one sediment filter and two reverse osmosis filters, the Sugar Cube RO Replacement Filter Kit contains everything you need for the annual maintenance of your prototype Sugar Cube RO. Every You definitely want to build it in series. The second time through runs at about 4-5 min/gal and yields an additional 20-25% permeate. Find out why SoulyRested was considered to beone of the Top 20 Must-Read Homesteading Blogs of 2018and then one of theTop Homesteading Blogs of 2019 as well. Thanks so much! Our family makes anywhere from 15 to 25 gallons of syrup each year. Winter storms coming in off the ocean cause such drastic changes in weather fronts that trees gush sap even when temps never dip below freezing. A pre-made RO system like the Sugar Cube can cost up to $500, but if you are going to use it over the course of many years, youll save that much in firewood and your time to make it worth it. Luckily, there are other options for obtaining a reserve osmosis set-up. Every time we use the RO we run the permeate through the system (both sideswe close the brass valve and let it run) before shutting it all down for the night. How do you clean the membranes for storage off season? I think I figured it out I think actually one of the part numbers you listed isnt correct the 3/8 polyethylene tubing (25 of it) item #879277, model #98634 is too large for that pump. Your land sounds wonderful, and I hope your red maples give you lots of wonderful syrup this year! Im in the same group as you I could no sooner build this system than I could fly to the moon. Then keep scrolling for a totally unprofessional, hope-you-understand-what-hes-talking-about drawing of Bills design. The floorboards creak, the barn roof sags, and the rocky land seems unforgiving. Ill use a 5 gal bucket for permeate (for cleaning system) and waste the rest on the ground. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE NEEDLE VALVE ON THE LINE. We run it at 60-70 psi, which we regulate with the needle valve. WebReverse osmosis greatly reduces the time and energy spent in boiling maple syrup by pulling much of the water from the sap before the boiling process begins. You can put your sap through the RO system on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday and then more easily and safely save it up for the weekend. And check for a leak on your vacuum side (the unfiltered sap side). [68] In 2019 it led with over 7.8million litres (2.07million US gallons), followed by New York with 3.1millionL (820,000USgal) and Maine with 2.2millionL (580,000USgal). Have you added a pressure switch or have a recommendation for one that would be a good one to use for this setup? For that reason, it actually makes more sense for a backyard operation. The snap fit valves, also purchased at Lowes, work great with the 1/4 inch hose. But I can absolutely answer your second question. If I use a cheaper RV pump that can get up to 60 PSI would I run into trouble? Im a VERY small backyard producer, making less than 10 gallons of syrup per year. After both runs, I have about 55% high sugar content sap and 45% very low sugar permeate. Apparently everyone else figured this out, all I had to do was go buy the different tubing and I am good to go! 1/4 T (youll need 4 of them) Sharkbite item # 835039, model #25427Z, 1/4 male x 1/4 quick connect 90 (youll need 5 of them) Sharkbite item #83500, model #25433, 1/4 male x 1/4quick connect straight (youll need 8 of these) Sharkbite item #835025, model #25413Z, 3/8 x 1/4 male quick connect (just 1) Sharkbite item #835028, model #25416Z, 3/8polyethylene tubing (25 of it) item #879277, model #98634, 1/4polyethylene tubing (25 of it) item #814305, model #98584, 3/8 quick connect ball valve (just 1) Sharkbite item #835049, model #25438Z, ridgid 3/8 x 30 pex tube (30 faucet) item #751655, model #7227-30-38-2, *NOTE: the red lines in Bills drawing represent clear tubing connecting the filters in sequence above. containerEl: '#fd-form-608a538fe8b3a8e1e4d62a1d' After filtering when do I need to process. Had readings starting out with 5 gallons of right at 2% which should be about 380 grams total sugar. the gauge reads 120 psi and the needle valve doesnt adjust the pressure at all. We only tap 50 trees and burn with wood, but anything that saves time is going to be very much appreciated. Next to the prairie river in Bloomvile Wisconsin. the system is working flawlessly now. The Mapel Fever is almost here.. Like Michele said for little cost a refractometer is really fun. Your tubing from the sap to the pump and then pump to filter you Thanks for that suggestion. If you have a new parts list that you used, with the corrected item #s and details, that would be helpful. I want to thank you and your husband again for sharing.. How wonderful!!! . Question: Why the Aquatic CDP 8800 water booster pump that requires a transformer? The only problem I run into is getting the pump primed and pulling in the sap, but a little elevation does the trick! Great questions. Happy sugaring!! We dont feed our sap directly into our RO. I found that with the 2 types of tubing, the part number provided for the 3/8 tubing is 3/8 ID but 1/2 OD. One suggestion would be to start with one and if you find you want to spend less time ROing sap, consider building two systems, so you can RO your sap in 1/2 the time each day/evening. And great question about what we run it at! I am hoping to make one before this years season! Free samples of maple products and maple baked goods will be available. so many great questions Katharine! 2. Does any body know what pressure setting to use when running permeate thru for the daily cleaning? Part of the problem here is describing the tubing. The process takes about 30 minutes to transform the syrup into a gorgeous golden, thickened maple cream. Thank you so much for sharing this DIY RO set-up. Sap can be put through the system repeatedly and becomes more concentrated with each pass through the RO membrane. Seems like if I was using this to actually just.filter water, Id be wasting a lot of water (our tap water is actually not bad). Large commercial operations use a When that bucket is half full I pull it and start the next bucket. It appears that the RO filters will be a challenge to change due to the lines set top and bottom on the casing will not allow the top of the casing to be unscrewed???? Our evaporator is heated by a wood fire and it usually takes around 50 gallons of sap to cook down into one gallon of syrup. What I see of it looks like an improvement over mine. Works like a charm! I had no Idea what it was going to do when I built it.. His pump is pushing up to 140 PSI Last year, I made about 1 gallon of sap and used 4(!!!) The smallest ones you can purchase are definitely a costly investment that would take a backyard sugarmaker anywhere from 4-10 years or more to recoop. Hope that helps. Thanks. I hope you LOVE your RO and all the money it saves you! One change I am making this year though is to use snap it valves rather than the brass needle valve, as I always had trouble with the brass valve leaking. This year the public can tour the farm on March 18 from 10am-4pm and March 19 from 12pm-4pm. Ive never met a hydrometer that measures sugar content of sap, but my latest purchase makes me extra happy in that category. If nothing else, sign up and get all these goodies delivered to your door for free shipping, right away, so you can start saving money on your propane. By morning I would have 30 40 gallons of sap to boil down. I made my first syrup this spring and quickly came to the realization that ROing the syrup first is essential to cut down the time spent boiling. It does cope well, and efficiently. The other line is carrying the permeate, or tree water minus the extra sugar you have filtered into your ROd sap. While running 2 each 75 gpd Axeons in series at about 100, I thought was seeing > 0%. Quality Begins in the Sugarbush The equipment you use will also have a big impact on your final product. Thanks, Bob. Then see what the system does under various operating conditions. will be compatible for the smaller volume of birch sap you will process. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window). WebCooldown the maple syrup to about 95 F. Once cooled, get your arm ready, find a partner and take turns stirring and stirring some more. Put them into two separate buckets and voila, you can cut the water content of your sap by up to 50%. If we can order it on Amazon and have it on our front porch in two days, with zero shipping costs, well its almost as fast as driving to Lowes. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Wanna know how we even do some natural ro for FREE? Halekulani. Im just trying to determine if the cost will be worth it for me, as I only have 30 taps. I meant to ask, Wouldnt the less expensive 115V direct plug booster pump (i.e., not needing a transformer) be a simpler and effective option? RO device ran from 7:50 to 10:15 a.m. removed 3.8 gallons from a 5 gallon bucket at 50 watts WE BUILT THE RO SYSTEM AND IT SEEMS TO RUN EVERYTHING RIGHT THROUGH WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING. I was in the shade and busy. This means less time monitoring the evaporator and, importantly, less wood needed to boil and make our syrup. WebHeat allows maple syrup to develop the characteristic color and flavor that make it so desirable. Some of them are in series like yours and some ROs are set up in parallel. . Maple Tap Farm will also participate in the Elmira Maple Syrup Festival on April 1. Volunteers boil it down and the park sells it. All winter. I realized I had things set up all wrong. Maple syrup producers use an evaporator to boil the sap into syrup, and doing so can take quite a long time (read more about how to boil here). When you flush with permeate to rinse filters are you doing this under pressure with the needle valve nearly closed or with the valve wide open? Hi Sheila, three cheers for awesome husbands! They said they could see the difference. Look into a refractometer. Any addivce? What a great question. So we persoanlly choose to boil our sap with propane. Keep them from extreme heat and freezing and they will be safely stored until next season. It wouldnt much less expensive 115V direct plug (i.e., not needing a transformer) be a simpler and effective option? WebTotal 9584 products from sugar free substitute for maple syrup Manufactures & Suppliers Sadly it would be a few decades before you can tap a young maple. How do you flush the system, how often would you do it, and what do you do to store it? ), I was wondering if can you drink the permeate. 3. All said and done, I ended up with about 2 gallons of syrup, using 2.5 tanks of propane and finishing in the kitchen. How do you find the pump? Thank you so much for sharing. Hi Dick. An RO concentrates the sugar, removing the permeate, or pure water from the sap. Reverse Osmosis is a process typically used in water purification. 2. 0; . , So interesting!! The RO pump draws the sap in, via the tubing we place in the can of sap. Great for serving cheese & charcuterie as well as many other small bites. There just arent enough hours in the day or trees in the woods to do it all. See a 2,100-tap operation using a tubing/vacuum system, reverse osmosis and a wood pellet-fired evaporator. 18195 Conc Rd 17, Maxville ON. Yes. Except sugarmakers use the idea in reverse. Webbiogen senior engineer ii salary. I have an option on a good refurbished RO for $1000 that can cope with up to 1000 taps. And then the downer a material balance. Of course, no matter what you use for fuel, cuddling with a barn cat while you watch the sap boil makes everything a little more puuurfect. Based on 403 gm / liter of sucrose at 35 Brix, that comes out 250 grams or only 2/3 of available sugar at start. Have you tried running the sap through the RO more than once? I love my Nikon; you canread more about my camera and even purchase your own here. Great post. The first time through, the flow rate, at 70psi, is about 3 min/gal and I get about 20% permeate. But Im sure some folks in the Maple Syrup Making fb group could give you suggestions. This video shows you our DIY reverse osmosis (RO) filter, which cuts our family's costs in LESS THAN HALF when we make maple syrup. The sap will be filtered again later, after it's boiled. I think Im removing maybe 10% of the water and am running at 70psi. Hello Michelle, I am in the process of assembling my RO. Iam going to build one as per your drawings. Get a $20 E-Bay low scale refractometer and make a, say, 1.5% sugar solution. lol. * For your membrane, you can choose the one linked above, for50 gallons per day, or upgrade to one for100 gpdor150 gpd. The 1/4 inch tubing works fine into the pump, no need to convert. I have not been able to remove much water just passing the sap thru the system. Will the water be coming out of the tube marked permeate? Then checked the permeate and it was 0.3%. Hope that helps. You can also follow my Maple Syrup pinterest boardright here. I will share your story with Bill (cause hes never on my blog :)). Well, that is if youre like Bill. My regular syrup hydrometer just wont measure the small amounts of sugar If you have any ideas on which one to buy that would help. Hi Bob, I just asked Bill. Funding for this project was made possible by the U.S. Department of Agricultures (USDA) Agricultural Marketing Service through grant AM170100XXXXG167, For instance, if I planted a maple, how long before I could tap it? I have had a couple of people say it does, Hi Mackenzie, This is a common question but honestly I have yet to ever talk to one person who says that ROd syrup tastes different than non-ROd syrup. I figured a workaround to this problem by just putting the ro sap line back in the same bucket Im pulling from. No, weve never needed to do any needle valve maintanence. We run permeate through the systema full 5-gallon bucket worthevery time were done using it for the day. Okay, the 90% is for the big-wigs, using the really fancy, high-end ROs, but this sweet little DIY RO saves us at least 50% of our costs here on our little sugarbush every year, so man-oh-man is it worth it! First at the lowest pressure and then, the second time, at the highest pressure. For you, it is more about the experience than the production. We are always looking for fresh content and new ideas. Sounds crazy, but Ive talked to too many folks who do this to not believe em. Im curious as to whether or not you run the concentrate thru multiple times? Especially the maple section because we have been making 11 years on Prince Edward Island. Also, youll get a shorter life out of your membranes if youre working them more (just a thought). WHAT PRESSURE SHOULD I HAVE? Sadly, yes, you have to filter many other times throughout the whole process. It does have an ID of 3/8, but it should have an OD of 3/8. Order Wavey Maple Cheese Board online from Urban Stead Cheese. The whole point of boiling sap is to evaporate water and be left with a thick, sugary maple syrup. Theyre the exact same filters. Cut the tubing pretty square. I ended up purchasing an even SMALLER tubing with and OD of 1/4 and an ID of .170 in and this is the correct tubing for the smaller of the two tubing sizes and the fittings you have listed. lol. Thanks for all the hard work you do to spread the sweetness! Our maple season can be very short and using your RO cuts boiling time down considerably. Hope that helps! How often have you have to change filters? Likewise, as much as we love sitting outside by the evaporator with friends, there comes a point where 18 hours of boiling each weekend can feel cumbersome; getting to syrup faster is not a bad thing. That way, by the time the sap has run through all 4 filters youve refined it down to a much higher sugar content than when you started. At the end of the season, after flushing them well, we then place the filters in a large ziploc bag in the freezer until the following season. Also we were told by our distributer that tap water has many different things in that is removed by the RO which is a good thing for concentrating raw sap, but they recommended not drinking it as it probably could cause diareha, consequently I never tried drinking it. Heat olive oil and butter in large frying pan over high heat. <3. Hi Michelle, I think thats a great idea to build it now, during your down time and then its all ready and waiting for you next syrup season! We never need to clean them during the season, but every time we use it we run some permeate through the system before shutting it off for the night. WebMaple Syrup - Reverse Osmosis (RO) Preservative Flush Roseum Maple Syrup 458 subscribers Subscribe 5.9K views 3 years ago ROSEUM MAPLE SYRUP This video How often do filters/membranes need to be cleaned? Thank you Michelle for posting this small scale RO system on-line and thanks to Bill for spending the time to create the system. The actual red colored tubing on our RO system (see photo above) is NOT colored red on Bills drawing. We always, always run the sap through twice, even with the 4 membranes. Chris M. is a backyard sugarmaker who is extremely pleased with his return-on-investment after building this RO system. Hi Adam. Build a fire to boil the sap. I would boil this down in less than 3 hours in my 24 pan. The drawback is that you need 4 needle valves, one for each sap line/canister to create the proper back pressure. What a huge time saver. Seriously. If its not a high enough pressure grains of the sugar will clog the holes in the filter and make your RO much less efficient. I saved a incredible amount of time and firewood.. 6. Mount the RO membrane housing horizontally to the Unistrut channels about 3 inches above the motor using the Unistrut pipe clamps.There are two Click on the image below to pin this post. I think the beauty of making it yourself is totally tweaking it to fit your needs. We have 110 taps and process roughly 5 gallons of sap through the RO every 45 minutes. Im elated that you found this page. Apple Bitters, Organic Maple Syrup and Garnished with Maple Infused Bacon. Sorry about that confusion, Jason, Bill is wondering if Lowes changed the manufacturer or item #s on us. Thanks for the instructions and parts list. This is the 3rd year of tapping. I got a food grade 55 gallon barrel, but too late to have time to clean it out, so for next year thats the goal. It traps all the the sap in the filter doesnt let it through. Thank you very much for this system. This is the one we use: https://amzn.to/2MhygVd. Maple syrup is made by boiling maple sap to evaporate most of the water until we are left with 66% sugar. I keep having to relearn to push the tubing ALL THE WAY IN. How do you adjust the pressure; is that what the needle valve is for? After seeing loss, I checked calibration with distilled water and got 0%. 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