Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. I bet there was no conversation. Police saw a bed sheet. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. And fyi, I am not going to use the actual pictures/videos in my project. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. Youre not Shanann Watts. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. Page 453 Thats contained in her autopsy report. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. So completely terrible. She also wanted to make her marriage work. Im wondering if he had bipolar. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. Shanann Watts. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. He just didnt want another baby. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. None of that is going to me made public, for obvious reasons. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. 5. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. Page 463 This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Addition. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. ShanAnn claimed to be pulling down $80,000 a year. But think about it. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. I love that guy. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. Explains why Shanann didnt fight back. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Remember, she was pregnant. I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. My question is how do you smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths? If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Fecal traces also missing in the Zahau case. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Im a survivor. smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. Even more common with pregnant women. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. Im convinced that he did the same to Shanann. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. Maybe body positioning and gravity? think mass gall stones) the bottom line is CW is a Covert Narcissist whose life would enevidably have unraveled at some point as covert express traits thus as a pattern of behavior. And so on. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. He was an operator for Anadarko. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. Seriously? What was Shananns cause of death? He had strangled me while I was pinned down to the floor, face up. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Lack of defensive injuries. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. But thats me. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Good point! through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). No. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. Celestes was similar. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Good to have a former forensic detective around. Scares me honestly. He just switched. They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. So what are you saying? Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Ditto who died first and last. It was on an automatic answering thing. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. The detective said not really. Please explain. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. His mom I think knew about it prior. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Exhausting and she was pregnant. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. Hopefully, one day we will know the whole truth of what was really going on in the lives of this tragic family; will one of the villains turn out to be MLM? They should have been talked to later. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Theres also a serious fundamental problem with your theory, which goes to the forensics. She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. What is going on?? My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. A monster! The attack was pure power and violence. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. That sounds very very snarky. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. A . I wrote a novel here but I can dispute any theory you have with common sense, and irrefutable evidence! We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Specifically, the region of your brain that controls the muscles that hold your sphincter closed becomes incapacitated following death. A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. Late stage of pregnant. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. Thanks! Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Mark, that is really interesting! One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. Some people never saw. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. Amy thoughts on her? But I want to know so badly the time of death. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. His integrity shows through all the time. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. He didnt flip. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. 5 PM the previous evening, as many of us believe, then by the time he was ready to pass them through the thief hatches, theyd be pliable again. He failed all 3 questions. @nickvdl Hi. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. It could be all the thrive he was taking. Ugh. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Stranglehold Theory. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. Like someone took over his body. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. I believe he killed her while she was sleeping, would have been easy to trap her arms under covers. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Wow, you are really reaching here. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? Shanann was in there with her on top of her. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Face? Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. He wanted out, didnt want the baby., and took the cowards way. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. After 2nd child, changed. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. 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